I just know what I saw on your post, and it sounds like you’ve run afoul of one of my biggest pet peeves about this place- that when some people do wrong, there’s like a collective shrug; but when other people fuck up, you have to literally hide them from a mob.
I’ve seen it happen before, and it’s annoyed me for a long time so I’m sorry you’re on the shitty side of that equation.
I am trying to find some other reason for this fixation. In some way, I am glad to hear that there is no true logic to this strange madness. In others, I find it even more vexing.
There’s usually two factors at play that I’ve seen.
A - Is the person likable enough for most people to have a beer with?
B - Is the person human?
If they’re likable and human, can probably get away with a lot.
If they’re likable but not human or not likable and human - get away with less.
If not human AND not likable? More likely to end up with people flipping their shit.
This isn’t ALWAYS true so I don’t want you to think I’m making a broad statement that people are intolerant of nonhumans here because overall I think we’re pretty good about that, but… I’ve just noticed that if a perpetrator is somehow a lot harder for people to understand or like, the want for ‘justice’ or whatever is a lot more, uh…I dunno, insistent.
[ He's been trying to be charitable out loud, to not voice his frustrations, and especially not to a veritable stranger, but he feels some of his anger vent out as best he can. ]
I admit that my skepticism on the concern of 'justice' is somewhat heightened by the lack of culpability taken by those involved who are wardens, and further still by the fact that the events wherein they hold most of their ire took place over four months ago before I even arrived. The lack of humanity they afford my inmate is of particular frustration.
It happened a long while before you got here, but when Trevor was an Inmate, I was pulling my hair out almost all the time. It took him less than a month to break the fucking record for how many violent incidents he was involved in, and he kept doing the same shit over and over, but the collective reaction was basically whatever because he was likable. Couldn’t get his Warden to communicate with me or do anything with him except say “oh I’ll babysit him for a little while”, and then we were back to square one again.
The identity of the victim also matters a lot. Like my Inmate just stabbed somebody in the library, but nobody is beating down my door about what I’m going to do with him because the person he stabbed just got here.
So you know, you’d think deliberately stabbing someone would be categorically worse than grabbing someone by the neck and blood loss not being intentional - but you know, it really is about how in their feelings people are about things at any given moment.
Mr. Givens noted some surprise that I would welcome his feedback. I come to see why that might be.
...though I admit to a lack of surprise about Belmont.
[ Some math is going to go through before- ]
Wait a minute: Mr. Tennant was Trevor's warden. You mean to tell me that Mr. Tennant stood by and let him run amok and eschewed communicating with others? Or- did he have a different warden before that?
You can make your own judgment about the shit I said during the flood, but I never saw him do literally anything with Trevor except babysit him for a little while - and then that got offloaded onto me. Which, you know, I volunteered for, but it wound up really pissing me off in the end.
I’d advise taking anything he says with a grain of salt.
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I just know what I saw on your post, and it sounds like you’ve run afoul of one of my biggest pet peeves about this place- that when some people do wrong, there’s like a collective shrug; but when other people fuck up, you have to literally hide them from a mob.
I’ve seen it happen before, and it’s annoyed me for a long time so I’m sorry you’re on the shitty side of that equation.
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I...
[ A breath in and out, something to think on. ]
I am trying to find some other reason for this fixation. In some way, I am glad to hear that there is no true logic to this strange madness. In others, I find it even more vexing.
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There’s usually two factors at play that I’ve seen.
A - Is the person likable enough for most people to have a beer with?
B - Is the person human?
If they’re likable and human, can probably get away with a lot.
If they’re likable but not human or not likable and human - get away with less.
If not human AND not likable? More likely to end up with people flipping their shit.
This isn’t ALWAYS true so I don’t want you to think I’m making a broad statement that people are intolerant of nonhumans here because overall I think we’re pretty good about that, but… I’ve just noticed that if a perpetrator is somehow a lot harder for people to understand or like, the want for ‘justice’ or whatever is a lot more, uh…I dunno, insistent.
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I admit that my skepticism on the concern of 'justice' is somewhat heightened by the lack of culpability taken by those involved who are wardens, and further still by the fact that the events wherein they hold most of their ire took place over four months ago before I even arrived. The lack of humanity they afford my inmate is of particular frustration.
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It happened a long while before you got here, but when Trevor was an Inmate, I was pulling my hair out almost all the time. It took him less than a month to break the fucking record for how many violent incidents he was involved in, and he kept doing the same shit over and over, but the collective reaction was basically whatever because he was likable. Couldn’t get his Warden to communicate with me or do anything with him except say “oh I’ll babysit him for a little while”, and then we were back to square one again.
The identity of the victim also matters a lot. Like my Inmate just stabbed somebody in the library, but nobody is beating down my door about what I’m going to do with him because the person he stabbed just got here.
So you know, you’d think deliberately stabbing someone would be categorically worse than grabbing someone by the neck and blood loss not being intentional - but you know, it really is about how in their feelings people are about things at any given moment.
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...though I admit to a lack of surprise about Belmont.
[ Some math is going to go through before- ]
Wait a minute: Mr. Tennant was Trevor's warden. You mean to tell me that Mr. Tennant stood by and let him run amok and eschewed communicating with others? Or- did he have a different warden before that?
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[ Zack sends an attachment. ]
You can make your own judgment about the shit I said during the flood, but I never saw him do literally anything with Trevor except babysit him for a little while - and then that got offloaded onto me. Which, you know, I volunteered for, but it wound up really pissing me off in the end.
I’d advise taking anything he says with a grain of salt.
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Noted. Thank you... Zack, I believe you said?
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Not sure how much of that is helpful, but… I hope it is.
And I’d like to think it’s nice to know not everybody wants to jump down your throat.
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I hope we get to talk on happier subjects soon.
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And yeah we should. Just let me know when things settle down for you.